I pledge the same!
I pledge the same!
I pledge the same!
Historical evidence of Jesus of Nazereth.
Feel free to go debate there but here is his conclusion from non-Christian sources.
Let’s summarize what we’ve learned about Jesus from this examination of ancient non-Christian sources. First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise. Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher. Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats. Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover. Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus’ resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus. Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus’ followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God!
I hope you see how this small selection of ancient non-Christian sources helps corroborate our knowledge of Jesus from the gospels. Of course, there are many ancient Christian sources of information about Jesus as well. But since the historical reliability of the canonical gospels is so well established, I invite you to read those for an authoritative “life of Jesus!”
More historical evidence.
The list goes on and on.
What do we know of Jesus from non-Christian sources? Well recap above.
First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise.
Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher.
Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats.
Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover.
Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus’ resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus.
Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus’ followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah.
And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God!
All of which is in the bible as well. You anted to define Jesus and I did that on the bus ride to work! It wasn’t even that hard!
**None of this but typing Google is my work. I selected works from other authors of authority on the subject. And all from non-Biblical sources.**
So define Jesus? Wise, a teacher, had followers, was crucified, believed to be the Christ even back in those days, he rose from the dead, and it was the first night or start of the Jewish holiday.
There you are who was Jsus.
Interesting discussion over here.
The author of the post is challenging people to define Christ and being a Christian so I answered him.
Simple to answer really.
1) What is the definition of a Christian? One who follows Christ and his commandment Love god, love everyone else.
NOTE #1: being a Christian is a personal relationship with God and Jesus. There is no single way to be a Christian just like there is no single way to be a human. Like being a human means you are part of the human race, being a Christian means merely you are being or attempting to be Christ like in loving people. But since it is so personal how we try and be like Christ it is also true there are as many Christians as there are people who claim to be. Some are good, some are bad but they identify with and as a follower of Christ.
2) Google Jesus of Nazareth and you get. “About 18,300,000 results”
What is it you are trying to find specifically?
Peace and Love and I’ll help you find resources you want or may not want. /shrug
Well he doesn’t like my answer and why? Because he wants 2 billion worldwide Christians to have the same view of God and what it means to be a Christian. So I answered with this.
Christianity regards Jesus as the awaited Messiah (or “Christ”) of the Old Testament and refers to him as Jesus Christ, a name that is also used in non-Christian contexts.
Christians believe that Jesus has a “unique significance” in the world. Christian doctrines include the beliefs that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, was born of a virgin, performed miracles, founded the Church, died by crucifixion as a sacrifice to achieve atonement, rose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven, whence he will return.
There you go two things Christians believe world wide. 🙂
Still not happy I explained this.
Christ-like character is the ultimate goal of all Christian education. To settle for anything less is to miss the point of spiritual growth. We are to “become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ” (Ephesians 4:13 NIV).
Developing the character of Christ is life’s most important task because it is the only thing we’ll take with us into eternity. Jesus made it quite clear in his Sermon on the Mount that eternal rewards in Heaven will be based on the character we develop and demonstrate here on Earth.
This means the objective of all our teaching must be to change lives, not merely provide information. Paul told Timothy that the purpose of his teaching was to develop character in those he taught: “The purpose of my instruction is that all believers would be filled with love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and genuine faith” (1 Timothy 1:5 NLT). Paul told Titus to do the same thing: “Now you must tell them the sort of character which should spring from sound teaching” (Titus 2:1 Phillips).
Character is never built in a classroom. Character is built in the circumstances of life. The classroom Bible study is simply the place to identify character qualities and teach how character is developed. When we understand how God uses circumstances to develop character, we are able to respond correctly when God places us in character-building opportunities.
God builds character in our lives by allowing us to experience situations where we are tempted to do the exact opposite of the character quality. Character development always involves a choice. When we make the right choice, our character grows more like Christ.
If you want to know what Christ-like character looks like, a good place to start is the list of nine character qualities Paul enumerates in Galatians 5:22-23: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control” (NIV).
This is why as a Christian I love you as a brother. It is also why I live a life that I hope “inspires” others to live better lives themselves. Perhaps if I am lucky others might come to know Christ through my character. See I won’t preach hell and death because my savior is neither of those. He is joy, peace and love.
By living this life and inspiring others with my character while attempting to be Christ-like I hope to be worthy of being your sister and perhaps inspiring someone along the way.
Most Christians are afraid to define “God” because they believe he is beyond definition. I say he isn’t because the book I believe with my heart tells me what God is like. Some point to the old testament and say but see the evil of God. I point to Jesus and say and he came to change mans misconceptions of a vengeful, hateful god to the loving father he has been along.
Keep smiling, we all believe or disbelieve as we see it. We all (if we are worth knowing) just try to live a decent life and not hurt others in the process. That is my goal and how I define my character as being a Christ-like character.
Hope that helps from a personal and from what the bible says Christ’s character is or should be. Love and peace to you. Sarah
Still not happy because some Christians don’t agree with my view. So I said the following.
Any Christian who would disagree that to be a Christian requires the desire to emulate Christ has taken Christ out of Christianity making it just ianity. I didn’t miss your point I gave you what is known by those who knew the man as the characteristics of Christ. Do you want a physical description? On that there is much debate though he was born a Jew, to a Jewish mother so I imagine he’d look much like the Jews of the time.
What are your characteristics and I will use that to give you those of Jesus.
He doesn’t like that answer either. So how about….
So called Americans can’t agree on the constitution. No group of people especially as large as a group of Christians (1 billion plus) can’t agree on any subject. The point is? That there are more than a billion Christians you are trying to paint with a single brush.
Are you white? If so are you also of the KKK simply because they says whites are this or that? People can’t agree on anything as soon as more than one is involved.
And….Well there are 2 plus billion Christians world wide not 1 billion and a 225 year old document we have in the US isn’t even agreed upon universally. Remember this for later.
All those things fall into one’s personal relationship with Jesus and the bible they’ve been exposed to. Having read several myself I know they differ in places and sometimes greatly. The closest you could come to your definition is to base it differently based upon the biblical source you choose to use.
If there were ten versions of harry potter out there you might have 40 versions of who harry is. Even from the single book two unique people might define harry differently. That is the essence of being human. We take the same words and can walk away with different viewpoints.
Personally I have defined him as per my personal relationship with God.
A quick view of the fan fictions for Harry porter and I saw three views being discussed about who he was really. So when dealing with personal relationships is any marriage the same as any other? Are all your friends equal to each other? Friends with any twins? Are they indeed the exact same to you?
See the complexity. What you are asking is define for me a human without saying a member of the human race. No I mean give me ever personality trait that makes a human a human. The subject is that complicated indeed. Now ask an individual Christian like me and I defined what he is to me and why.
You’ll never find a consensus on that subject because 1 billion people couldn’t agree the earth is round let alone something personal and by far more complex.
Still not satisfied there is only one harry potter but no consensus on his character. He was brave…no he wasn’t he feared you know who. He was smart…no he wasn’t everyone helped him he was really quite dim. He was…
No one can agree even on that is it a wonder 2 billion Christians can’t agree on a single definition of Jesus Christ?
Not to me. And you’d have to be a bit off your rocker to believe otherwise.
His answer was.
“Thank you, you have illustrated my point.
There are a myriad views and each view is considered definitive.
In this case we are trying to establish what or who Jesus of Nazareth and the requirements to ensure your salvation in the afterlife.
As there is not a single overall thing that the vast number of sects can agree upon it follows there is no right Christianity and thus no right christian.”
To which I say.
Now given 300 million Americans can’t agree on what it means to be an American does that mean a real American doesn’t exist. What I’ve illustrated is the absurd belief that any two people will agree on one subject conclusively. You can’t pick a single topic even that the earth is round and find a 100% consensus among 2 billion people. It becomes harder with written word and harder still with something so personal as one’s relationship with God.
Just because 2 billion people don’t agree it doesn’t mean Jesus had no character or that there is no true Christian. If 100% agreement is the requirement then nothing is real and there isn’t even a real human being, let alone any subgroup by any category. There is not a real white person, not a real Canadian, not a real Atheist and not a real anything else. Because no group is 100% in agreement. About any subject.
Final judgment can be scary. But not for me.
Angel: All rise the honorable Yahweh is now presiding.
Yahweh: This court is in session, Mr. Prosecutor you argument please.
Prosecutor: Well Sarah Klum here has committed (begins reading a LONG list of sins and dates)
Me: (shrinking down in my seat because the defenders chair is empty)
Prosecution: I rest my case your honor.
Yahweh: And for the defense (poof in pops Jesus)
Jesus: Hey dad, sorry I am just in time arriving, I was sitting in back polishing my sandals.
Yahweh: Proceed with the defense.
Jesus (looks slyly at the prosecution who now sinks in his seat) Well dad she loves me, she isn’t perfect, but she is one of mine. Has she sinned? Sure. But my blood cleansed her sins and by my love I forgive them father.
Yahweh: Welcome to heaven Sarah Klum.
/celebration dance oh and big hugs for Jesus since I have waited my whole adult life to hug him
It’s that simple and why I don’t fear judgment day.
I love this woman!
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My update on Michelle.
A short post today just to tell someone how special he really is.
Last night I got a beautiful letter. It was from TJ thanking me for standing by him. It was beautiful and it made me cry. I think I feel a little like Michelle when Josef thanked her for his incredible life and all she could do was thank him for living it.
It was very sweet. I won’t share his words to me above what has already been shared. What I will share is something I wanted to tell him. Words from my heart that I hope can find the right place. I am not the aurator Michelle is but here’s my attempt at the right words.
I too am in a loss for words . You’ve been here with me for Michelle all this time. It’s been hard and I’ve dumped so much on your shoulders. You’ve been a rock anchoring me here in a ripidly moving river. I’ve seen the falls and the deadly drop and sharp rocks below. But I’ve been safe resting on my rock.
I don’t know where I would be without you and I’m thankful you’re in my life. I know this has been as hard on you as it has on me. Not being able to be here all the time must compound that for you. All the while I’ve been dumping on you. I’ve felt like such a burden.
It’s nice to be reminded I made a difference to you. To anyone for that matter. I haven’t felt very useful lately. This little letter was a giant shot in the arm. It made me smile, it made me cry and it made me read it again.
I wanted to share one of Michelle and I’s conversations. She recorded something in her journal that night, which I’ll also include.
I asked Michelle “How do you stack TJ against other men?”
She said “I don’t. I measure other men against TJ.”
I said “How do they fair?”
She replied “How would any fair stacked against a titan? Most would fail the measure and more would miss the mark. Very few could be the equal.”
I said “Sounds like a pretty high standard.”
She said “Only for those who believe themselves his equal. It’s a measure only legends dare look in the face.”
I agree with Michelle when she says few men stand to as tall as you. If you are the measure of a man then most will stay boys forever.
I know we don’t have the the same intamacy you share with Michelle. That doesn’t mean my heart doesn’t rise a little when I get these little notes. It doesn’t mean what we have isn’t special. You don’t have some of the parts I find desireable but you have a special heart. And that I desire very much.
Thank you for being in my life, for being my rock and thank you for being my man too.
Michelle wrote in her journal that night and I think we both needed to hear them:
“He left me a good morning note. I knew he couldn’t be here when I awoke, but his words are with me always. The sun rises from my pillow, that is where his words and his heart greeted me this morning. That is where my sun rises because it’s where my day began.
I think the veil has parted with Sarah. I believe even she sees the man I adore with eyes open. If we can teach her to listen with her heart she will hear his. And perhaps she will know the incredible man I simply call mine.
What a glorious day!”